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When is a Vintage Bentley a real Vintage Bentley and when is it a reproduction or fake? Currently, we have several cars with the same chassis number and cars that were destroyed and have a new chassis using the old number with a new body and new engine. How do we sort all of this out? Stanley Mann, a well-known dealer and restorer sent this in to us and we would like receive your thoughts. Please speak out — e-mail robert@vintagebentleys.org with your response.
Some of our reader responses have been posted here.
I would like to thank the
following vintage Bentley enthusiasts for their
recent contributions to VintageBentleys.org:
Adam Stacy-Marks, Alan Giles, Alan Smith, Alan Weeks, Alexandra Hollands, Andrew Whittaker, Ash, Bernard Davies, Beroparts, Bert Degenaar, Brett Peattie, Chester McKaige, Chris Anderson, Chris Matthew-Powell, Chris Jonas, Chris Scott, Chris Tutton, Classic Oils, Daena Scott Butler, David Green, David Morley, David Morris, David Wheatley, Dick Doubrava, Edward Marston, Edward Sykes, Ernest Van Arendonk, Frank Allocca, Gareth Oshea, Garie Zelth, George Alspaugh, George Davidson, Hans Hugenholtz, Humphrey Bunyan, Lan Middleton, Ian Landy, Ian Shipley, James Ball, John Abbiss, John C Boothman, John Forsey, John Lawson, John McQuay, John Murch, John Romano MD, John Whiting, Jose Tome Garcia, Julie Dyos, J. W. 'Pete' Huey, Katy Parish, Kelly Dietrick, Kevin Bailey, Lars Hedborg, Lionel Burrell, Lisa Callahan, Lucille Wright, Maldwyn Jones, Marc Woods, Mark Prizeman, Martin Podeu, Martin Smith, Matthew Beddall, Michael Harrison, Michael Muellmann, Michael Warrack, Michael Watson, Brian Staines, Nick Lees, Nick Poll, Nick Warner, Peter Graham, Peter Morton, Philippa v. Seydlitz, R.V., Richard Mattern, Robert Middelmann, Roger Morton, Rolf Versen, Roy Cousins, Roy Tilley, Rupert Weldon, Russell Browne, Stanley Mann, Stephen Bennetts, Stephen Wilks, Steve Hamilton, Toby Neal, Tom King, Tom Winters, Wayne Kennerley, Will Godsiff, William Sykes, Wim Swaan |
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| When is a Vintage Bentley a real Vintage Bentley? |
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When is a Vintage Bentley an original one and when is it a reproduction or a fake? Well-known dealer and restorer Stanley Mann recently quoted auto historian Clare Hay's views on this subject. Read this piece and also the opinions of our readers. |
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| HT1650's 3 Litre identity "cast into the dustbin of history" |
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"So, HT1650 started life as a late long chassis 3 Litre with a Harrison
Landaulette body. When it was in my custody, it had a Gurney Nutting tourer body...
I kept it for a little over a decade, selling it in the late 80s.
It went to the UK, was converted to a 4½, with a cycle fendered
touring body and was pictured in a BDC Review. It next came to my
attention in an ad on the Stanley Mann website, represented as a matching
number LeMans spec 4½...
But even though it is probably more 'valuable' in its present guise, it is sad that its 3 Litre identity has
been cast into the dustbin of history." — John Schieffelin |
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| Chassis 110 owned by Lionel Burrell since 1960 |
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In September 2015, AutoCherish.com put up a vintage Bentley car for sale stating the Chassis no. to be 110 and Reg no. SV 4513. We posted the details on the 110 page, only to receive a prompt rebuttal from 110 owner Lionel Burrell on Sep 29, stating, "The recent addition is not my car, please could you remove it from my listing. It is a reproduction of my car. I bought my car in 1960, from the last owner who had the car from 1947 until I bought it. I have never put my car up For Sale."
Around the same time, the car photos and other details were replaced on the AutoCherish website with a notice stating, "No longer available - Sold or withdrawn from sale". The AutoCherish car photo and other details (for SV 4513) have since been moved to our Bentley Specials section. — VintageBentleys.org |
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| What's the chassis number for reg YM 57? |
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Reg YM 57 is up for sale at Fiskens currently. The chassis no. stated on the Fiskens website is 1272* (when no such chassis no. is known to have existed). Interestingly, Fiskens had this car up for sale in 2013 as well, when they had stated the chassis no. to be NR507. As far as a former owner knows, the chassis no. is NR507, but according to Michael Hay's Bentley: The Vintage Years, 1997, chassis no. 1092 was renumbered NR507. Now, that is confusing. Do contact us if you have any information on this.
(*The chassis number is NR507 - apologies that we have it wrong on our
website and we will change it forthwith. — Gregor Fisken, Feb 8, 2016)
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| Racing Vintage Bentleys in the English countryside |
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Will Godsiff contacted us on behalf of Mobil 1 The Grid with this recent video on racing vintage Bentleys in the English countryside. |
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Empire Reactions to the Sports Car
By M.L. Glenton Wright
Published in "The Motor", April 8, 1942
 "When the war came along I entered into various negotiations, which finally resulted in my finding myself in Central Canada. Here I found the attitude to the sports car somewhat remarkable and almost amusing. In fairness, I must say that so far as I know there are only two examples on the road in the whole Dominion of Canada of a good type of sports car and interestingly enough, both of these models were built in the same year and had a very similar performance. One is a 1930 Mercedes-Benz; the other a 1930-1931 4 1/2-litre blower Bentley… The latter I was able to acquire at a very moderate price, for despite its good qualities, this type of car has practically no appeal on the American continent. The average American-Canadian buys a car almost completely for its appearance, its height (so that the owner can always look down on others), and the number of extras and gadgets, which it may boast."
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"This 2-seater Bentley was sold to Sir H Chiliott of St James's London in August 1922. The original columbine Yard and Medina Road can be seen in the background."
— Lars Hedborg
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An old photo of Chassis 1038
Chester McKaige
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"This pic of Chassis 723 was taken in 1949. The owner was Bill Bryce.
— Chester McKaige
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This is chassis 296 when owned by Alex Bryce (also in picture). The body was built by Martin and King."
— Chester McKaige
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This picture of Chassis no. 166 was taken in Victoria, Australia in 1948.
— Chester McKaige
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This is how WK 7173 looked just before just before Adam Stacy-Marks purchased it. "I owned it
for approximately 2 years..."
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"My family thinks this photo was taken on Cleethorpes promenade
sometime between 1950 and 1955. The best guess is that it may have been a parade
during the coronation celebrations. At the time the car was owned by Mr
Marshall"
— Nick Poll, Marc Woods
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"Joe Studholme took this photograph of his father, brother, sister and mother with 348 at Kingston in 1952. Note
the angle of the one-piece windscreen, and its shorter brackets, changed by Trevor Timms to a longer, and stronger type."
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"According to his diary, Henry Courtney Brocklehurst bought this car on 12 July 1924 from Gaffikin Wilkinson for (?)850. It matches an advert in the Autocar of 4 July 1924."
— Alan Weeks
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"I thought the current owner might like this picture of my father (John Bunyan) proudly behind the wheel. He owned it in the late 60s. It would be amazing to know where the car is now. Our family talks of this car so often."
— Humphrey Bunyan
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"My father Harry Lees owned this car from 1963 to 1965, selling it when he
bought 4½ litre chassis XR3330.
It remained in this condition (1964 photos), albeit dusty,
during a long ownership by Capt Hollingshead in Cheshire, until auctioned off by H
and H in 2004. It was a lovely example of a standard 3 litre, and it is not for me to comment on
what then happened to it thereafter."
— Nicholas Lees
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"This car was restored with replica VDP in 1974 by Rod Warriner. It previously had a rough
boy racer body and cycle guards.
The car came to me with engine AP325 and this was replaced by 650 in 1976, after a
full rebuild with new Elmdown camshaft. The engine rebuild was done by David
Ripley."
— John Whiting
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"Coachwork drawing of Chassis no. MD2463"
— Mark Prizeman
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"Enjoying a nice beer at the Arran Brewery in Scotland. In the meanwhile 889 goes to Italy...!"
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Jan 30, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. HM2855 & HB3403 |
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Jan 30, 2016 - Information received from Stuart Brainerd for Chassis
No. NH2741 |
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Jan 29, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 1124 & ML1518 |
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Jan 28, 2016 - Info and photograph received from Adam Stacy-Marks for Chassis
Nos. TN1554 & FT3208 |
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Jan 28, 2016 - Info and photograph received from John Abbiss for Chassis
No. SM3922 |
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Jan 27, 2016 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. 865 |
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Jan 25, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. ST3014 & 781 |
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Jan 23, 2016 - Information received from Lucille Wright for Chassis
No. SL3061 |
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Jan 22, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. AP319 & 409 |
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Jan 21, 2016 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. PB3539 |
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Jan 21, 2016 - Bentley Clinic: New
question posted by Chester McKaige
about 'Lining for cone clutches' |
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Jan 20, 2016 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. 210 |
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Jan 19, 2016 - Info and photographs received from Peter Morton for his Chassis
No. 134 |
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Jan 19, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 1155 & AP324 |
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Jan 19, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 1120 & PB3536 |
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Jan 18, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. HT1643, PB3536, 341 & DN1736 |
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Jan 16, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. FS3615 |
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Jan 15, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. FS3622 |
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Jan 14, 2016 - Information received from Edward Marston for Chassis
No. TN1551 |
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Jan 14, 2016 - Information received from Roger Morton for Chassis
No. XR3329 |
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Jan 13, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. HB3403 |
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Jan 13, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. FB3317 & VF4019 |
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Jan 13, 2016 - Information received from Stephen Wilks for Chassis
No. YX5124 |
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Jan 12, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 1120 & HT1643 |
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Jan 11, 2016 - Info and photographs received from Lionel Burrell for his Chassis
No. 110 |
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Jan 11, 2016 - Information received from Michael Watson for Chassis
No. 110 and for Bentley Special reg. no. SV 4513 |
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Jan 11, 2016 - Info and photograph received from Michael Muellmann for his Chassis
No. ST3008 |
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Jan 11, 2016 - Info and photographs received from Roger Morton for Chassis
No. FS3612 |
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Jan 11, 2016 - Information received from Nick Warner for Chassis
No. 556 |
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Jan 11, 2016 - Information received from Alan Giles for Chassis
No. WT2252 |
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Jan 09, 2016 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. HT1643 |
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Jan 08, 2016 - New info and photographs received from Lars Hedborg for Chassis
No. 138 |
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Jan 07, 2016 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. PB3536 |
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Jan 06, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. DN1736 & 341 |
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Jan 05, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. FB3320 |
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Jan 04, 2016 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. RL3448 |
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Jan 04, 2016 - Information received from David Morley for his Chassis
No. 951 |
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Jan 02, 2016 - Info and photographs received from John Forsey for his Chassis
No. 82 |
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Jan 02, 2016 - Info and photographs received from Matthew Beddall for his Chassis
No. 341 |
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Jan 01, 2016 - Information received from Roger Morton for Chassis
No. FS3612 |
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Jan 01, 2016 - Information received from Stephen Bennetts for Chassis
No. SM3903 |
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Dec 31, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Alan Weeks for Chassis
No. 294 |
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Dec 30, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. YX5119 |
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Dec 29, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. RN3035 & AH1476 |
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Dec 28, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. AH1476 & AH1477 |
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Dec 26, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. AX1652, LT1598 & 428 |
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Dec 24, 2015 - Info and photographs received from John Whiting for Chassis
No. 649 |
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Dec 23, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. FB3315 & 898 |
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Dec 22, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Humphrey Bunyan for Chassis
No. 837 |
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Dec 22, 2015 - Information received from Maldwyn Jones for Chassis
No. YX5119 |
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Dec 21, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. BA2599 |
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Dec 19, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Tom Winters for Chassis
No. 877 |
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Dec 18, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 155 & HT1643 |
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Dec 18, 2015 - Info and photograph added for this unidentified vintage Bentley |
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Dec 17, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 1171 & XF3519 |
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Dec 16, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Brian Staines for Chassis
Nos. HB3402 & HF3187 |
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Dec 16, 2015 - Information received from Alexandra Hollands for Chassis
No. 440 |
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Dec 15, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Nicholas Lees for Chassis
No. BL1623 |
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Dec 14, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Lars Hedborg for Chassis
No. RL3439 |
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Dec 11, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. KL3589 & PL3476 |
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Dec 10, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. AX1652 & AP319 |
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Dec 10, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. SL3053 |
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Dec 09, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. HT1631 |
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Dec 09, 2015 - The Benjafield Racing Club – Vintage Bentley Racing video received from Will Godsiff of Mobil 1 The Grid |
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Dec 08, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. MF3167 & DS3573 |
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Dec 07, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. VF4019 |
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Dec 05, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. AP319 |
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Dec 04, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. SL3067 |
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Dec 03, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. KL3592 & HM2855 |
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Dec 02, 2015 - Information received from Bert Degenaar for his Chassis
No. RL3439 |
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Dec 01, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Guy Lachlan for this unidentified vintage Bentley |
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Nov 30, 2015 - New info and photographs received from Daena Scott Butler for Chassis
No. DH2202 |
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Nov 28, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Daena Scott Butler for Chassis
No. FS3624 |
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Nov 27, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 709 & PM3264 |
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Nov 26, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. 82 |
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Nov 25, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 781, KR2685 & FB3324 |
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Nov 24, 2015 - Info and photographs received from William Sykes for Chassis
Nos. FR2636 & BA2592 |
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Nov 23, 2015 - Information received from John Murch for Chassis
Nos. 602 & 990 |
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Nov 21, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. DS3573 & XL3119 |
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Nov 20, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. HM2869 & MS3950 |
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Nov 19, 2015 - Information received from Robert Clifford-Wing for his Chassis
No. SR1416 |
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Nov 19, 2015 - Information received from Adam Stacy-Marks for Chassis
No. FT3208 |
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Nov 18, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Rupert Weldon for Chassis
No. SB2755 |
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Nov 18, 2015 - Information received from Roger Morton for Chassis
Nos. 134 & PM3257 |
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Nov 17, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. 1120 |
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Nov 16, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. VA4085 & TX3227 |
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Nov 14, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. VF4006, XF3502 & TX3248 |
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Nov 13, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. PR2304, XL3125 & 935 |
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Nov 12, 2015 - New info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. HF3192 & BL1603 |
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Nov 10, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. KR2697 & KR2689 |
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Nov 09, 2015 - Info and photographs received from John Romano MD for Chassis
No. 1078 |
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Nov 07, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. PL3497 |
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Nov 06, 2015 - Information received from Katy Parish for Chassis
No. 348 |
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Nov 05, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. 976 |
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Nov 04, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Michael Warrack for Chassis
No. AP307 |
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Nov 04, 2015 - New info and photographs received from Alan Giles for Chassis
No. WT2251 |
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Nov 04, 2015 - Information received from Ash for Chassis
No. RL3448 |
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Nov 04, 2015 - George Alspaugh wants
to buy a 3 litre open tourer vintage
Bentley |
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Nov 03, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. KR2677, SM3903 & DS3559 |
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Nov 02, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. BX2411 |
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Oct 27, 2015 - Info and photograph added for Chassis
No. TB2542 |
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Oct 26, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Nick Poll for his Chassis
No. 333 |
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Oct 24, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Adam Stacy-Marks for Chassis
No. FT3208 |
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Oct 22, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. VF4002, BA2585 & LB2333 |
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Oct 21, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Adam Stacy-Marks for his Chassis
No. TN1554 |
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Oct 20, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
No. 348 |
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Oct 19, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Chris Matthew-Powell for Chassis
No. PL3499 |
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Oct 17, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Mark Prizeman for Chassis
No. MD2463 |
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Oct 15, 2015 - Information received from Susan Culleton for Chassis
No. 869 |
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Oct 15, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 620, NX3466, 221, RT1541 & 436 |
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Oct 14, 2015 - New info and photographs received from Chester McKaige for Chassis
Nos. 1038, 723, 296 & 166 |
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Oct 13, 2015 - Information received from Ian Middleton for Chassis
No. XL3117 |
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Oct 10, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. LT1586 & UK3278 |
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Oct 10, 2015 - Information received from Wayne Kennerley for this unidentified vintage Bentley |
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Oct 10, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Russell Browne for an unidentified
Bentley |
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Oct 08, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Ernest Van Arendonk for his Chassis
No. 889 |
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Oct 08, 2015 - Info and photographs added for Chassis
Nos. 352, FS3602, PB3533, TB2542 & SM3925 |
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Oct 07, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Alan Giles for Chassis
Nos. 708 & 686 |
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Oct 06, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Norbert Andrup for Chassis
Nos. XR3329, XL3120 & KL3589 |
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Oct 05, 2015 - Info and photograph received from R.V. for Chassis
No. LR2779 |
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Oct 05, 2015 - Info and photograph received from Brett Peattie for Chassis
No. MS3928 |
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Oct 01, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Adam Stacy-Marks for his Chassis
No. TN1554 |
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Oct 01, 2015 - Info and photographs received from Alan Giles for Chassis
No. NR509 |
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Oct 01, 2015 - Information received from Kalila Haddad for Chassis
No. MS3932 |
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